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	<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com</link>
	<description>Some impressions on Faith, Prayer,....and maybe sport</description>
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		<title>Comment on on Inward weakness by Laurie Childers</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2010/03/04/on-inward-weakness/#comment-1478</link>
		<author>Laurie Childers</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 05:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2010/03/04/on-inward-weakness/#comment-1478</guid>
		<description>Very nice, Jay!  Thanks!   A good reminder when I get to being critical of myself for not being as organized (for example) as I would have liked.   Optimism of the spiritual kind is a great gift, and it involves more humility than it does self-confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice, Jay!  Thanks!   A good reminder when I get to being critical of myself for not being as organized (for example) as I would have liked.   Optimism of the spiritual kind is a great gift, and it involves more humility than it does self-confidence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Neighborhood Potato Patch by Jay T</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/28/neighborhood-potato-patch/#comment-727</link>
		<author>Jay T</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/28/neighborhood-potato-patch/#comment-727</guid>
		<description>In late October, we brought in about 42 pounds of potatoes.  They were distributed to the eight households that contributed.  We've been eating them often at our place.  They'll go into today's Thanksgiving dinner for Bob, his wife, some other friends of ours and our family to enjoy.  I plan to share some with the food drive for some of the families from the school where I teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In late October, we brought in about 42 pounds of potatoes.  They were distributed to the eight households that contributed.  We&#8217;ve been eating them often at our place.  They&#8217;ll go into today&#8217;s Thanksgiving dinner for Bob, his wife, some other friends of ours and our family to enjoy.  I plan to share some with the food drive for some of the families from the school where I teach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Neighborhood Potato Patch by Jay T</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/28/neighborhood-potato-patch/#comment-411</link>
		<author>Jay T</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/28/neighborhood-potato-patch/#comment-411</guid>
		<description>Thanks for commenting, Doug!  The potatoes continue to grow.  We no longer need to water them from the spigot exactly twice a week, as Heaven is doing some of that work.  I'm praying that the lows this weekend stay in the high 30's Fahrenheit, rather than down to freezing.  

Some of the plants are turning a bit yellow, indicating that it will be time to harvest them in a week or three.  So far as I know, no one has dug up any samples yet.  

Check back toward the end of this month.  You could come down the valley for a visit.  I'll save a few potatoes for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting, Doug!  The potatoes continue to grow.  We no longer need to water them from the spigot exactly twice a week, as Heaven is doing some of that work.  I&#8217;m praying that the lows this weekend stay in the high 30&#8217;s Fahrenheit, rather than down to freezing.  </p>
<p>Some of the plants are turning a bit yellow, indicating that it will be time to harvest them in a week or three.  So far as I know, no one has dug up any samples yet.  </p>
<p>Check back toward the end of this month.  You could come down the valley for a visit.  I&#8217;ll save a few potatoes for you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Neighborhood Potato Patch by Doug Simpson</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/28/neighborhood-potato-patch/#comment-410</link>
		<author>Doug Simpson</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/28/neighborhood-potato-patch/#comment-410</guid>
		<description>So now I'm curious! How did the Great Potato Experiment turn out? Or is it still underway?

Your gardenless neighbor down south,

Doug (in and about Springfield, OR)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now I&#8217;m curious! How did the Great Potato Experiment turn out? Or is it still underway?</p>
<p>Your gardenless neighbor down south,</p>
<p>Doug (in and about Springfield, OR)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quaker politics as a game of Tip It by Timothy Travis</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/13/quaker-politics-as-a-game-of-tip-it/#comment-108</link>
		<author>Timothy Travis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/07/13/quaker-politics-as-a-game-of-tip-it/#comment-108</guid>
		<description>Great annual session...tip it, indeed.

Girding one's loins refers to tucking in that which might either present a vulnerability to an enemy or that which get, shall we say, caught up in the machinery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great annual session&#8230;tip it, indeed.</p>
<p>Girding one&#8217;s loins refers to tucking in that which might either present a vulnerability to an enemy or that which get, shall we say, caught up in the machinery.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To John Woolman on John Locke &#038; John Adams by Rachel Findley</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/05/08/to-john-woolman-on-john-locke-john-adams/#comment-28</link>
		<author>Rachel Findley</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/05/08/to-john-woolman-on-john-locke-john-adams/#comment-28</guid>
		<description>Thank you so much for this note.

I enjoy seeing the two statements about "covenants" clearly set in the context of Enlightenment thinking.

I am not sure whether John Woolman was pre-Enlightenment or post-Enlightenment or whether he just bypassed the Enlightenment entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this note.</p>
<p>I enjoy seeing the two statements about &#8220;covenants&#8221; clearly set in the context of Enlightenment thinking.</p>
<p>I am not sure whether John Woolman was pre-Enlightenment or post-Enlightenment or whether he just bypassed the Enlightenment entirely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technology for learning.  Technology for worship? by forrest curo</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/05/19/technology-for-learning-technology-for-worship/#comment-26</link>
		<author>forrest curo</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/05/19/technology-for-learning-technology-for-worship/#comment-26</guid>
		<description>While I can think of several possible technologies for facilitating worship... the amply-demonstrated potential for misuse inclines me to leave listing some as an exercise for someone else to carry out.

What works for me... that traditional focus on the breathing... neither stopping it nor making it go, neither striving to deepen nor inhibiting that effort when it wants to happen. Counting breaths, breathing exercises-- all these things are distractions from my distressingly automatic thinking, also potentially helpful ways to play with the breath and learn how many different things it can do--but after all that, from the recurring experience of seeing how much I need God's ongoing help, last night I had to go back to just sitting, letting thoughts &#38; breaths do as they would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I can think of several possible technologies for facilitating worship&#8230; the amply-demonstrated potential for misuse inclines me to leave listing some as an exercise for someone else to carry out.</p>
<p>What works for me&#8230; that traditional focus on the breathing&#8230; neither stopping it nor making it go, neither striving to deepen nor inhibiting that effort when it wants to happen. Counting breaths, breathing exercises&#8211; all these things are distractions from my distressingly automatic thinking, also potentially helpful ways to play with the breath and learn how many different things it can do&#8211;but after all that, from the recurring experience of seeing how much I need God&#8217;s ongoing help, last night I had to go back to just sitting, letting thoughts &amp; breaths do as they would.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Technology for learning.  Technology for worship? by Dave Carl</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/05/19/technology-for-learning-technology-for-worship/#comment-24</link>
		<author>Dave Carl</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2009/05/19/technology-for-learning-technology-for-worship/#comment-24</guid>
		<description>There is the "Light to Live By" process designed by Friend Rex Ambler.  Its based on George Fox's teachings and Eugene Gendlin's "Focusing" technique, which in turn was apparently inspired by Gendlin's exposure to early Quaker thought.  For example, he uses the term "feeling sense" which echoes Isaac Penington.  

Focusing is interesting stuff, but I would recommend that the best way to approach worship is simply to keep doing it, and to do it more than one hour a week, as did early Friends.  My wife gave some vocal ministry a few weeks ago concerning how we don't teach a technique, we simply trust the spirit to guide us as in whatever manner we need to be guided at the time, and I have found that to be true.  

I would suggest this, however.  If you are feeling that worship seems inaccessible to you, just stay with that feeling  for as long as it lasts.  Don't be too anxious to get away from it. That very sense of inaccessibility may itself be the key to entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the &#8220;Light to Live By&#8221; process designed by Friend Rex Ambler.  Its based on George Fox&#8217;s teachings and Eugene Gendlin&#8217;s &#8220;Focusing&#8221; technique, which in turn was apparently inspired by Gendlin&#8217;s exposure to early Quaker thought.  For example, he uses the term &#8220;feeling sense&#8221; which echoes Isaac Penington.  </p>
<p>Focusing is interesting stuff, but I would recommend that the best way to approach worship is simply to keep doing it, and to do it more than one hour a week, as did early Friends.  My wife gave some vocal ministry a few weeks ago concerning how we don&#8217;t teach a technique, we simply trust the spirit to guide us as in whatever manner we need to be guided at the time, and I have found that to be true.  </p>
<p>I would suggest this, however.  If you are feeling that worship seems inaccessible to you, just stay with that feeling  for as long as it lasts.  Don&#8217;t be too anxious to get away from it. That very sense of inaccessibility may itself be the key to entry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A deep insight or a flight of fancy by Jay T</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2008/01/10/a-deep-insight-or-a-flight-of-fancy/#comment-5</link>
		<author>Jay T</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2008/01/10/a-deep-insight-or-a-flight-of-fancy/#comment-5</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the comment, EMT!  

Our language includes multiple spirits:  school spirit, patriotic spirit, the spirit of fun.  I even understand Santa Claus as a spirit.  

In order to be clear about what spirit we are acknowledging or invoking, I'm most comfortable if folks would modify or articulate it somehow.  "The Holy Spirit" works for me.  As long as we're coming out of a mostly Christian culture, we might as well draw on the best of its traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, EMT!  </p>
<p>Our language includes multiple spirits:  school spirit, patriotic spirit, the spirit of fun.  I even understand Santa Claus as a spirit.  </p>
<p>In order to be clear about what spirit we are acknowledging or invoking, I&#8217;m most comfortable if folks would modify or articulate it somehow.  &#8220;The Holy Spirit&#8221; works for me.  As long as we&#8217;re coming out of a mostly Christian culture, we might as well draw on the best of its traditions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A deep insight or a flight of fancy by EMT</title>
		<link>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2008/01/10/a-deep-insight-or-a-flight-of-fancy/#comment-2</link>
		<author>EMT</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://jtblog.lindajohansen.com/2008/01/10/a-deep-insight-or-a-flight-of-fancy/#comment-2</guid>
		<description>"If I tell myself that my insights are from spirit, then I risk not knowing what spirit and may have diminished my understanding of authority so far that I’m in touch with nothing outside myself."

I'm curious about this statement. I find myself in the group that is uncomfortable with the word "God" and more comfortable with "Spirit". For a while I've been trying to figure out what about the word bothers me. This passage helped at least a little. I think I am most uncomfortable with the notion of "A" God, and not a "transcendent and immanent" God. I am slightly more comfortable (though not completely) with the notion of a spirit that surrounds us at all times. I don't identify with a singular being located in some far off place, no matter how loving He/She/It is. 

I am most curious about your thought that there are multiple spirits that one could identify with or(hence?) give authority to. Do you speak of a god-like and a devil-like spirit, or more than two? My thoughts on this have always considered only a lone "spirit" that unites/surrounds us all.

-EMT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I tell myself that my insights are from spirit, then I risk not knowing what spirit and may have diminished my understanding of authority so far that I’m in touch with nothing outside myself.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about this statement. I find myself in the group that is uncomfortable with the word &#8220;God&#8221; and more comfortable with &#8220;Spirit&#8221;. For a while I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out what about the word bothers me. This passage helped at least a little. I think I am most uncomfortable with the notion of &#8220;A&#8221; God, and not a &#8220;transcendent and immanent&#8221; God. I am slightly more comfortable (though not completely) with the notion of a spirit that surrounds us at all times. I don&#8217;t identify with a singular being located in some far off place, no matter how loving He/She/It is. </p>
<p>I am most curious about your thought that there are multiple spirits that one could identify with or(hence?) give authority to. Do you speak of a god-like and a devil-like spirit, or more than two? My thoughts on this have always considered only a lone &#8220;spirit&#8221; that unites/surrounds us all.</p>
<p>-EMT</p>
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